LOL I started buying guns late in life (long story) and navigating the endless brands with numerous elements is ridiculously hard. It's good I buy online because otherwise I would tie people up for 4 hours before making a purchase.
My night-stand gun is a Smith & Wesson (squints along slide) M&P9 M2.0 and it is my favorite. Intuitive manual of arms and simple innards. My CCW is a Taurus G2C. I'd love to up the game on the latter but at my age it's a bit too much of an indulgence.
Great review as always and Glock just can't get no love around here.
I've been carrying a 45 cal Smith Shield 2.0 with the manual safety. I had surprise twin babies 5 years ago at age 47 and wanted a carry option with as many safety dooflotchies as needed but not Sig level of Dooflotchies.
I love CZ75s and 85s. I like the P10 as well. I ran IDPA with an Israeli baby eagle in 40 and liked that a lot.
I never have warmed to Glock. Though I will admit to being a bit of a hipster when it comes to hand cannons. I think there are too many roads less traveled to skew to ultra-normie stuff.
I'm fixin to buy a new 9 mil. It's pretty incredible how many very good models are out there from the 90s through the 2ks. The old Rugers and Smiths were extremely reliable, but Gaston seemed to weasel into the LEO contracts and a "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" phenomenon took hold during the Warrior Cop era post Revolver days.
We are very fortunate to be able to split hairs over which tool is best because of this or that small detail or convenience feature included.
Yeah, I could just about do a follow-up article focusing on the S&W third gen, and entitle it "The Gun that Glock Killed." All the Machining required to build a sophisticated metal frame gun brought them in a few hundred dollars more expensive than the much simplified Austrian.
IIRC, in the late '90s, the 5904 went for $650 to $700, compared to the Glock at about $ 450.
Ruger and Smith both were in the catbird seat in the 80s/90s with those metal framed ultra reliable pieces that made the 1911 look like a rattletrap. That would be a fun read to focus on the Smiths.
I run M&Ps but Ive been in them since the wayback so following the new stuff has been easier. Having said that, my old 1.0s with 10s of thousands of rounds still run great with no breakages. (I have replaced a few springs).
IMO the CZp10 series, however, is the best striker fired gun in the Glock price range out of the box. The sights are better, the trigger, is better, and all other things are equal. EXCEPT the ability to infinitely customize it. But you can find custom parts. There just aren’t as many.
My brother runs an M&P 40 1.0 with a slicked up trigger. It's eminently shootable, especially for a 40.
I've actually never played with the P10, though if one is going striker I think that one, the M&P, and the new Gluger... er... Ruglock... Ruger RXM, would have to be the short list.
I ran a .40 initially for idpa/uspsa. But I carried a 9. Still carry the same one…decades later. Upgraded with a flat face apex trigger, RMR and a magwell cutdown to hold the 12s for better concealment. So I just started shooting minor with the 9. The .40 gathers dust now but I still have it.
Apex... pretty sure that's what he has. Last time he was up, he made me and my .45 STI look a fool with his dueling tree. Then we switched guns and I shot his better than my own. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤭🤭
When I teach, I’ll frequently let students shoot my gun when they struggle as a diagnostic. You would not believe the difference sometimes. Sights and triggers are more important than a lot of people appreciate I think. The M&P is also very ergonomic. As you can see, Im a fanboi. Lol.
I will incur much abuse for this comment. But it seems silly to me how gung ho everyone is on it….
Unless i have some epiphany, i will never carry with a round in the chamber.
The odds of me shooting my dick off, or someone elses dick off who is near me, is much higher than me needing that extra 2 seconds if something happens where i need my gun.
I know all the arguments. But for me, it’s just not worth it.
I do not believe that the CZ is a Glock killer... no way would I switch. To me, I carry a Glock now because of weight. Used to carry a Sig P229R, or... a Beretta 92FS converted to a G model. While I have tried to carry others, their complexity turns me off. Especially HK... I can take a glock 100% apart except for the removal of the sights in under 2 minutes. Only pistol I have found to be this simple. No way can I do that with a Sig or a Beretta, let alone other brands. While Glock as some issues, I do not have an issue carrying one and checking the holster before reholstering my side arm.
There are lots of good reasons to carry a glock. And there are lots of good reasons to carry appendix. Doing both incurs a higher risk than I care for out of my safety equipment.
I'll carry a glock over a sig 320 ANY DAY… while the entire notion of having no safety concerns some people, it doesn't concern me. All striker fire weapons have this issue. M&P is no different than a glock, or the Steyr M9… (start naming them off) I feel safer with a Glock than I do with a 1911. But that's me. Everyone is assuming a higher risk carrying appendix than carrying on the hip or in a shoulder rig.
Yep, some people grab the M&P with the safety, some do not. But at least there is a choice there.
My Sigs I never had an issue with double action, I prefer the Beretta though. Heavy… but… I actually would like to pick up the new Beretta, where it is a decocker, or you can carry it in the cocked and locked positionI think? Either way, safety is back down where a 1911 is.
Love my new to me 645. Tried them all, this is the first time going back. Had a couple Cz’s, had multiple sa only, and yeah, the 645, although it’s a tad heavy, is a true pleasure to shoot. Put the Springfield 3.3 in backup mode in sob.
I was gung ho to get the CZ, but it is really heavy compared to my carry pistol, the Sig P365. I did get the model with a thumb safety, so I have that reassurance when holstering. Well, that and being hyper aware that I do not want to shoot important parts of myself by accident.
I did not mean to denigrate the Smith pistols. But you'd better eat your Wheaties, and hope to find a secret decoder ring in the box to figure out which one's which. 😵💫🤪
I've actually kind of had my eyes peeled for a... *consults chart* 6904? Lightweight compact 9, in any event. Although holsters and magazines might be something of an issue at this late date.
The model numbering conventions of the various S&W metal semiautos aren't really hard to understand, although there are some inconsistencies. And the third-generation guns are actually some of the best DA/SA semiautos ever made. The problem is that S&W discontinued all of them and now they're only available on the used market. But they're still a fine choice.
LOL I started buying guns late in life (long story) and navigating the endless brands with numerous elements is ridiculously hard. It's good I buy online because otherwise I would tie people up for 4 hours before making a purchase.
My night-stand gun is a Smith & Wesson (squints along slide) M&P9 M2.0 and it is my favorite. Intuitive manual of arms and simple innards. My CCW is a Taurus G2C. I'd love to up the game on the latter but at my age it's a bit too much of an indulgence.
Great review as always and Glock just can't get no love around here.
I like my Glock
Do you carry appendix? If so, are you aware of the extra risks that entails? Do you take steps to mitigate them? If so, then keep calm and Glock on. 🤘
I've been carrying a 45 cal Smith Shield 2.0 with the manual safety. I had surprise twin babies 5 years ago at age 47 and wanted a carry option with as many safety dooflotchies as needed but not Sig level of Dooflotchies.
I love CZ75s and 85s. I like the P10 as well. I ran IDPA with an Israeli baby eagle in 40 and liked that a lot.
I never have warmed to Glock. Though I will admit to being a bit of a hipster when it comes to hand cannons. I think there are too many roads less traveled to skew to ultra-normie stuff.
I'm fixin to buy a new 9 mil. It's pretty incredible how many very good models are out there from the 90s through the 2ks. The old Rugers and Smiths were extremely reliable, but Gaston seemed to weasel into the LEO contracts and a "what wins on Sunday sells on Monday" phenomenon took hold during the Warrior Cop era post Revolver days.
We are very fortunate to be able to split hairs over which tool is best because of this or that small detail or convenience feature included.
Yeah, I could just about do a follow-up article focusing on the S&W third gen, and entitle it "The Gun that Glock Killed." All the Machining required to build a sophisticated metal frame gun brought them in a few hundred dollars more expensive than the much simplified Austrian.
IIRC, in the late '90s, the 5904 went for $650 to $700, compared to the Glock at about $ 450.
Ruger and Smith both were in the catbird seat in the 80s/90s with those metal framed ultra reliable pieces that made the 1911 look like a rattletrap. That would be a fun read to focus on the Smiths.
I run M&Ps but Ive been in them since the wayback so following the new stuff has been easier. Having said that, my old 1.0s with 10s of thousands of rounds still run great with no breakages. (I have replaced a few springs).
IMO the CZp10 series, however, is the best striker fired gun in the Glock price range out of the box. The sights are better, the trigger, is better, and all other things are equal. EXCEPT the ability to infinitely customize it. But you can find custom parts. There just aren’t as many.
My brother runs an M&P 40 1.0 with a slicked up trigger. It's eminently shootable, especially for a 40.
I've actually never played with the P10, though if one is going striker I think that one, the M&P, and the new Gluger... er... Ruglock... Ruger RXM, would have to be the short list.
I ran a .40 initially for idpa/uspsa. But I carried a 9. Still carry the same one…decades later. Upgraded with a flat face apex trigger, RMR and a magwell cutdown to hold the 12s for better concealment. So I just started shooting minor with the 9. The .40 gathers dust now but I still have it.
Apex... pretty sure that's what he has. Last time he was up, he made me and my .45 STI look a fool with his dueling tree. Then we switched guns and I shot his better than my own. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤭🤭
When I teach, I’ll frequently let students shoot my gun when they struggle as a diagnostic. You would not believe the difference sometimes. Sights and triggers are more important than a lot of people appreciate I think. The M&P is also very ergonomic. As you can see, Im a fanboi. Lol.
Yes. "If you shoot ___ with one gun, fix the gun. If you shoot ___ with all guns, fix the you."
Almost all my holsters are clip on I never holster my firearm while I’m wearing it I remove it insert firearm then put it on
I will incur much abuse for this comment. But it seems silly to me how gung ho everyone is on it….
Unless i have some epiphany, i will never carry with a round in the chamber.
The odds of me shooting my dick off, or someone elses dick off who is near me, is much higher than me needing that extra 2 seconds if something happens where i need my gun.
I know all the arguments. But for me, it’s just not worth it.
I agree 100%.
kydex trigger sleeves are as simple of a holster as it gets.
I do not believe that the CZ is a Glock killer... no way would I switch. To me, I carry a Glock now because of weight. Used to carry a Sig P229R, or... a Beretta 92FS converted to a G model. While I have tried to carry others, their complexity turns me off. Especially HK... I can take a glock 100% apart except for the removal of the sights in under 2 minutes. Only pistol I have found to be this simple. No way can I do that with a Sig or a Beretta, let alone other brands. While Glock as some issues, I do not have an issue carrying one and checking the holster before reholstering my side arm.
There are lots of good reasons to carry a glock. And there are lots of good reasons to carry appendix. Doing both incurs a higher risk than I care for out of my safety equipment.
Stay vigilant and Glock on. 🤘
I'll carry a glock over a sig 320 ANY DAY… while the entire notion of having no safety concerns some people, it doesn't concern me. All striker fire weapons have this issue. M&P is no different than a glock, or the Steyr M9… (start naming them off) I feel safer with a Glock than I do with a 1911. But that's me. Everyone is assuming a higher risk carrying appendix than carrying on the hip or in a shoulder rig.
Yeah, the one exception is the M&P, which is available with manual safety. Otherwise I mostly picked on Glock as the striker fired archetype.
Yep, some people grab the M&P with the safety, some do not. But at least there is a choice there.
My Sigs I never had an issue with double action, I prefer the Beretta though. Heavy… but… I actually would like to pick up the new Beretta, where it is a decocker, or you can carry it in the cocked and locked positionI think? Either way, safety is back down where a 1911 is.
Love my new to me 645. Tried them all, this is the first time going back. Had a couple Cz’s, had multiple sa only, and yeah, the 645, although it’s a tad heavy, is a true pleasure to shoot. Put the Springfield 3.3 in backup mode in sob.
That is one impressive infographic. I saved it to my reference folder under the file name “S&W Numerology.”
I wish I could take credit, but I just lifted it from Lucky Gunner.
I was gung ho to get the CZ, but it is really heavy compared to my carry pistol, the Sig P365. I did get the model with a thumb safety, so I have that reassurance when holstering. Well, that and being hyper aware that I do not want to shoot important parts of myself by accident.
The P365 is hard to beat for weight, that's for sure.
I did not mean to denigrate the Smith pistols. But you'd better eat your Wheaties, and hope to find a secret decoder ring in the box to figure out which one's which. 😵💫🤪
I've actually kind of had my eyes peeled for a... *consults chart* 6904? Lightweight compact 9, in any event. Although holsters and magazines might be something of an issue at this late date.
The model numbering conventions of the various S&W metal semiautos aren't really hard to understand, although there are some inconsistencies. And the third-generation guns are actually some of the best DA/SA semiautos ever made. The problem is that S&W discontinued all of them and now they're only available on the used market. But they're still a fine choice.